John Cozz is a busy fella, or at least he knows how to keep his calendar full. He is a punk rock renaissance man, splitting his time between three primary passions: his NJ based coffee roasting company which pays the bills, his music where he’s put out something like four albums and five EPs since starting in 2015, and skateboarding, a scene he’s been involved in for going on two decades. With Cozz’s resume, if you did anything remotely creative at or around a DIY space in New Jersey in the past decade, odds are you ran into Cozz either playing the show himself or skating a rail outside the show somewhere along the way. Cozz and I go all the way back to high school where we met at a transfer student meeting my junior year and his sophomore year, and in all the time I’ve known John, these days he seems as creatively and spiritually fulfilled as he ever has been. He’s found a way to make Cozz Coffee a legitimate business, doing everything from setting up shop at local farmers markets, to providing coffee for up-and-coming NJ restaurants, to mailing bags of coffee to supporters in all fifty states. In between deliveries he makes sure to hit a skate spot wherever possible, which helped him compile footage for his skate video from earlier this year Absolutely Miffed. All the while John has hit his stride in his music career just as much as he has with his coffee career, with release after release tightening his songwriting and coming more into his sound.
His most recent record, Sunday Sauced, paints Cozz as Jeff Rosenstock if he grew up Italian in New Jersey. John’s DIY ethics ring so strong that he can’t help but talk a little shit all the people who act too cool for the scene, sneaking in stories about late night diner meals and Sunday gravy with Mom. Throughout the album John writes songs from the perspective of a kid in the crowd at a basement show trying to figure out if it is still worth chasing the dream, or if him and his friends are wasting away drinking beers and screaming their songs at shows in the Garden State. Like the best Cozz material Sunday Sauced is filled with songs that will have you cracking up laughing before reflecting exactly how much the joke applies to you too, with easily some of the catchiest music of his career. Early single “Indie Blockheads” is an ode to the kinds of bands who care more about keeping their press kit updated than they do making a genuine connection with anyone at the show with them. The last barb of the track is “I bet you were a ska kid too, Catch 22” which I am sure sent a shiver down many a former ska kids spine who thought they made it through the track unscathed. The following song “Even If It Sucks Who Cares” has been a rallying cry for Cozz throughout his career, as he’s had the phrase written on his guitar pedal case for ages. It started as a disclaimer for when he legitimately didn’t love the music he was putting out, but it was meant to signify that if you are getting joy out of putting your music into the universe, who cares what anyone else has to say about it. He likes to make sure you know it isn’t an ode against talking shit, in fact if anything the sign was initially meant to talk shit on his own music. It is about leaving your ego at the door and approaching every band who graces a stage at a show with the same level of respect that you’d hope they give you. Making “good art” whatever that means is a whole lot less important than being a good dude to the people you play shows with week in and week out.
John closes the record with “I wrote a song without a hook (to remember why I write songs in the first place)” which takes its title from Rosenstock’s old band Bomb! The Music Industry, specifically their song “It Ceases to Be “Whining” If You’re Still “Shitting” Blood”. On this song John sings about how even with all his annoyances with the inide music scene, nothing makes him feel alive like getting on stage and playing his earnest little songs. He closes the track with an eye-opening anecdote where someone else accusing him of being a poser who doesn’t really care about music, first making him pissed as hell before making him realize why he still comes to basement shows. He closing the song singing “The point I want to make is we all feel this way, constantly searching for that thing that gets us through the day, cause life goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on so we’ll sing our songs that keep you moving on.” We’re all going through hell, we might as well sing about it together so we can compare notes and laugh about it all.
John said that when he started writing Sunday Sauced that there was a chance this was his swan song, a takedown of the scene that ended his rock and roll aspirations. However, talking to John it is clear that if anything this record reaffirmed why he is so appreciative to have a scene full of bands to talk shit about and pall around New Jersey with, the scene only makes him so annoyed because he loves it so much. These songs are not just the most inspired of John’s career but the most fun. Rather than the end for Cozz, if anything this feels like a new beginning. I talked with John about why he loves singing about food, squashing his beef with Chris Gethard, and his kick ass new record Sunday Sauced.
GSC: What’s your name? How do you identify and what do you do?
COZZ: My name is John Cozz. I use he/him pronouns. I’m a coffee roaster, musician, skateboarder. Those are probably the three big identifiers I got. I have a small business roasting coffee, I roast all the coffee myself and I sell it online and at farmer’s markets. I also do pop up events where I come in, bring my mobile cafe and serve coffee wherever. And then music, where I record under my own name and put out others with Max Rauch at Pizza Bagel Records. Yeah, music is everything.
GSC: What are your earliest music memories?
COZZ: I remember my dad always liked KISS growing up and took me to a KISS concert when I was three. My mom has always been into disco music and stuff. Neither of my parents are sports people, so growing up we never went to football games or baseball games, we would always go to concerts for a family outing. We went to go see KISS, AC-DC, Queen with Paul Rogers, you know the other guy.
GSC: So you had quite the musical upbringing, seeing some legends before you can even walk.
COZZ: Yeah, I can’t remember a time where music wasn’t important to me, my whole life I’ve been listening to music all the time. I remember when I was in fifth grade American Idiot came out and I though it was so sick and I go show my Dad and he was like, “Oh! I love that band!” and then he showed me Dookie. He was a drummer growing up, he was never in any bands but he always like was playing the drums when I was a kid so we’ve always just had music as our bonding point.
GSC: When did you know that you wanted to make music yourself?
COZZ: As a kid I used to try to make music, I was writing songs in like fifth and sixth grade. The first two memories of me writing songs were me and my cousin tried to write a song called “Brain Dead Aliens” then I wrote another song called “Why Can’t I be Like Him” about Billie Joe Armstrong, that was like fifth grade. I remember being a bad kid who had a MySpace, when they said you weren’t allowed to have MySpace, and I put the song on MySpace. Then the next day, everyone at my lunch table was making fun of me. So I stopped making music for a while, from like, seventh grade to sophomore year of college. At that time. I was primarily a skateboarder. I started writing music seriously sophomore, junior year of college. 2015-2016 was when I put up the first batch of songs I’ve done.
GSC: How did you first get involved in the Jersey music scene?
COZZ: I went to one show In high school, that was at a church. It was like a hardcore show at church, but outside of that I didn’t go to a lot of shows growing up. The first show I ever played was a regular rocker type show at a bar called Hell’s Kitchen in Newark. That was cool, and that was just because I was going there a lot and my friend Danu was like you should play there. But the first like experience with NJ DIY, which kind of snowballed everything was at this like art vending event in Clifton. My friend who’s a skateboarder/artist, got me on the show. Then from that, I just met a bunch of like-minded people genre wise and it snowballed from there. I ended up meeting Max Rouch, the guy who records all my music, and plays on everything I dothere, and from there it all happened really organically. It was literally like I had a switch at one point in skateboarding where I was like, I don’t really want to be a skateboarder anymore. I want to start making music. So I have to reintroduce myself and I went from having so many friends in skateboarding to being like, okay, I don’t know anybody who plays music so I’m just gonna start going to shows as a 22 year old and be that awkward guy until I meet people.
GSC: And then you met people! My first memories of you really committing yourself to music were with the Salt and Pepper and Ketchup EP which I think you put out with a comic, and then the H.A.G.S. EP, was there anything before that that I’m forgetting about?
COZZ: So the first thing I put out is really bad. I don’t even want to say the name of it because I don’t want people finding the songs, but they are online. Then maybe four months later, I put out what I would consider my first album. It’s called Fall Into Place or Into Pieces. Like I was saying earlier, at this time l wanted to do this whole rebranding thing and be a musician. I know, it sounds kind of dramatic, but I at the time felt like I was not gonna have friends anymore if I do this. So it did feel like things were either gonna fall into place or pieces and they fell into place. I guess they always fall into place if you know how to look at it.
GSC: Are there any songs from that record that still stuck with you?
COZZ: I don’t resonate with a lot of them anymore. At the time, I was drinking a lot, not doing well in school, and feeling pressure and uncertainty of what I was going to be doing with my life. Then very shortly after that, I came into coffee roasting, and I started dating Sam, my now fiancé, and a lot of the things that were stressing me out went away within three months of putting that out, which is kind of funny. The one song that I go back to sometimes is “Throwing Chairs Off A Three Story Building“, an acoustic song about, about like, a friend of mine who was kind of going through it. It’s a reminder that we all feel bad at certain points in our lives, self-doubt self-loathing come with the self. So whenever I’m feeling sad, I’ll play that song, but I don’t play a lot of sad songs these days.
GSC: Do you feel the same about Salt, Pepper, Ketchup and the H.A.G.S. EP ? Or do you have more of an attachment to those songs?
COZZ: I like those songs. I don’t play them as much these days but my cousin who I play with is always asking to play “Walkin”.
GSC: “Walkin” is still one of my favorite songs of yours.
COZZ: We tried playing it as a double encore the other night and couldn’t pull it together. With Salt Pepper Ketchup, I play “Camilla” a lot. The rocker crowds like that one because it has a 70s feel to it. That is the only song I really play from that record tho.
GSC: Why has food been such a big inspiration for you?
COZZ: In the same way music is me and my Dad’s thing food is my thing with my Mom. I remember growing up, cooking with her, watching her cook, going places to eat with her. And I love the greasetraps of New Jersey, we have some long standing culinary institutions that I love seeking out. Food is both so important to the culture of New Jersey, Taylor ham, hot dogs, bagels, pizza, diners, all of that. So it’s a way to talk about home too.
GSC: Your 2019 album Deep Fried had more of an edge to it that your older work, what were you going for with that record?
COZZ: That was the first full length me and Max worked on together, though we had done HAGS before. Before HAGS I tried doing everything myself and was a bad drummer so I had limitations to what I could make. By the time I put out HAGS, I was feeling more comfortable in a four-piece band figuring out like bass parts and drum parts and lead guitars together. By the time we went to record Deep Fried I realized that working with Max I was able to create dynamics that I wasn’t able to before. The edge is think was now that I had somebody who could play drivey drums it made me want to make crazy punk songs with those drums I couldn’t use before. It was also just it being new and excited and having so much energy in the room I think comes off on the record.
GSC: Does any song in particular still stay with you? “Braincation” feels like definitive COZZ:.
COZZ: Yeah that’s definitely one of my most popular songs. We always play that one, it’s fun. Like I said before, I like songs that kind of have transitions. And there’s three different parts of that song where it’s like the fast drivey sing-along part, the slowed down chill/hungover part, and then the crazy guitar solos at the end. That song is probably the one I play the most off of Deep Fried even though now when I play it, I change some of the lyrics because I don’t like it being as much about getting drunk and hungover anymore as much as just going out and being dumb, because I don’t drink like that anymore, right. I’m trying to think of what else is on that. I love “Chump Change” but haven’t played it since the release show because nobody I play with has asked for it.
GSC: “Kinda” still slaps too.
COZZ: I still love “Kinda” too I just tend to play my newest stuff. Its funny, big bands play the same songs for 30-40 years because its all anyone wants to hear. When I go to see an old band I think I hope they better not fucking play the new record too much. But when you go to see a local band, people are like bro, they’ve been playing this fucking same song for a year and a half. Can’t they write something new? Its funny too because I feel like I am just learning how to play some of my older songs now, like a song can come into its own over a lot of performances and change over time.
GSC: I love “Who is Going to Take Over Jeopardy” off your next EP Just Existing is Okay”, which is about a whole lot more than Jeopardy. How do you sneak so much serious stuff into ostensibly funny songs?
COZZ: I have always been the sad clown archetype where I am always trying to make jokes but am thinking about serious stuff under the surface so I guess it is just a reflection of who I am. I think I can write about serious stuff in a funny way where like sadness I can’t write songs about these days, I feel like there are other artists with a deeper understanding on that. Some will get the deeper messages of a song like “Jeopardy” I am sure some will just think it’s a funny song about Trebek but there is more there.
GSC: Your last EP COZZ: and His Stinky Feet went in a country direction that worked so well. Do you think you’ll ever go back in that country direction and what kind of made you want to give that a try?
COZZ: That EP I wanted it to be a time capsule of where I was at during COVID Season One. During the first phase of COVID, we were home all the time drinking and listening to country music. I was going through a big Woody Guthrie phase, so it seemed like a country/folk EP would be fun. It was also originally going to be lowkey self-recorded songs without drums. But I really am proud of that collection of music and how those songs come out. As you know Brendan “Details” is in memory of a friend who passed away so that song in particular will always mean a great deal to me. Again I don’t play these songs live as much because I usually don’t have the arrangements together but I do love them.
GSC: Your other EP from last year, Relish In The Good Times, is another great collection of tracks. I loved how you packaged that together with a bag of coffee and were able to combine your two passions, how did you decide to do that EP with a bag of joe?
COZZ: When I was starting Cozz Coffee a lot of people said I should work my music into it and at first I felt like it was like this cheesy thing, I kind of wanted to keep them separate. Then I’d go play a show and have people ask “Are you bringing coffee to sell at the show? Then I realized that selling my album on the Cozz Coffee site would be better economically than on BandCamp. I figured if I’m gonna have it on the Cozz Coffee website, I might as well incorporate coffee into it. I had wanted Sam Cardelfe to do artwork for a bag of coffee for a while, so this seems like it could be a cool way to do both. And it really did cross pollinate my fanbases, people who liked the coffee but hadn’t heard my music picked up the record because of the coffee and vice versa, which was nice to see.
GSC: I think Sunday Sauced is your most complete body of work to date. You talk about all the things you hate about the NJ DIY scene while also capturing why you are so appreciative to be a member of it. What were you going for with this record?
COZZ: I definitely wanted to capture all the things that make me angry, but at the same time, if this makes you so angry, why do you keep doing it? That was the question I was asking myself a lot during COVID and my time away from music. I like I hate being around people that I don’t really know at shows and having awkward conversations just to try and push my music. Meanwhile I am thinking, are these people my friends? Do I even know any of these people? What am I doing here talking to them? Then at the same time, in answering those questions I realized there was a time in my life where I wanted to be a part of a DIY scene so badly and I didn’t realize that there was one right under my nose for decades. And I should be thankful of that. All the things that make me angry are just because I love it so much, you know, I wouldn’t feel so angry if I didn’t love playing music and love the people I get to play and work with, I’ve met some of my best friends because of it. I also hope people don’t think any song is directed at one person in particular or something like that, none of them are. It’s a collection of things I’ve picked up on over the years, habits that everybody in the scene kind of has myself included, a lot of the lyrics make fun of me too. It’s as much an inward reflection on why I let the stuff I am talking about bother me as it is anything else.
GSC: How did you get the title for the record?
COZZ: “Sunday Sauced” the song is about like how growing up we’d go over my mom’s house for dinner on Sundays which became sort of a chore that I didn’t really want to do. I was an angsty teen and I mean you just want to be with your friends at that age. Now I’m really thankful for that time and like being able to spend so much time with my family. I wanted to write about the food as a way of talking about the Italian side, and then wanted to bring in Doo-Wop which I always thought Italians were known for, but it turns out they stole that from Black people, so its layers and layers of stealing music. But I took the album name from the song, I thought it was a good fit for the record.
GSC: The cover is kick ass too, how did that come together?
COZZ: I had the idea there for a while and did a sketch myself. Boxing is very Italian too, Rocky and whatnot. But I didn’t like my version and asked my friend Steve if he’d give it a try and I love how it came out.
GSC: I love the referential nature of these songs and how open you are about it, like the video for “Dang It” where you talk about how you quote on quote steal Blink’s “Dammit” and “Earth Angel”.
COZZ: A lot of that honestly comes liking hip hop and discovering the samples from rap songs. That was always so much fun to me. Straight up stealing the song though, that’s inspired by Kimya Dawson and AJJ who have done that a lot, I always thought that was a really funny thing to do.
GSC: How many songs in total did you borrow for “Dookie in the Shower”?
COZZ: It starts with “When I Come Around” by Green Day and takes from a medley of bands that effected me through my life. After Green Day is “Float On” by Modest Mouse, my intro to true indie music. After that is “My Rollercoaster” by Kimya Dawson which was my introduction to like folk punk and anti-folk music. And then it’s “Say Yes” by Elliott Smith. I think like a mixture of listening to like anti-folk and Elliott Smith was what really pushed me to write music. The last song is “I Like U (A lot)” by LKFFCT, which is Max Rouch and his band. That was the first DIY band I saw that I connected with on a deeper level. I was like, holy shit, this is this is what I want to be doing, writing songs and playing shows with people like this.
GSC: “Even If It Sucks Who Cares” rocks and has become a rallying cry for you.
COZZ: Yeah its on my guitar my my guitar pedal case. People sometimes misinterpret it and go “Oh no John but you are good!” which is funny because when I first when I first wrote that I felt like I wasn’t good at playing music at the time. So I was using it as a disclaimer, like if I’m bad like it’s not my fault. I also have loud opinions that are sometimes negative and people will say I am contradicting myself, but if I hate something who cares! If you love it and love playing it that is all that matters. But the phrase definitely has taken on a life of its own, I’ve seen that pedal case posted by people who have no idea I exist which always cracks me up. With the phrase though I didn’t mean it to be like, if it’s bad you shouldn’t talk shit on it. I think talking shit is a healthy thing to do and I think people should talk shit. What it really means is as long as you’re being true to yourself, fuck everyone else. I hate a big ego, so if someone is acting like their shit doesn’t stink when it does, I have no issues telling them. But if you love what you are doing then who cares what I or anyone else thinks. Especially new kids hacking it with an acoustic guitar. Don’t get intimidated by gear snob assholes, do your thing and be happy.
GSC: You close with “I Wrote a Song Without a Hook to Remember Why I Write Songs in The First Place”, an extremely strong close. Did the song do what it sets out to in the title?
COZZ: That title is lifted from Bomb! The Music Industry song, Jeff Rosenstock’s old band. It’s from a song called “It Ceases to Be “Whining” If You’re Still “Shitting” Blood”. The lyrics is “write a song without a hook to remember why you wrote songs in the first place not for a man who runs a fucking focus group.” I originally called it “Punchline” when I wrote it last year but when I realized the song didn’t have a hook that lyric came to mind as a perfect fit, especially seeing how the songs have the same message. When I wrote that song I had written the majority of this record and knew I wanted to end it with an inward reflection. It was right after Hurricane Ida happened when I wrote it, The garage I roast in got three feet of water and I lost like $2,000 worth of gear and that sucked. But I ended up bouncing back from it relatively quickly because a lot of people ended up chipping in. I didn’t put up a GoFundMe because I didn’t think it was like that bad but a lot of people came forward and helped me out. Then maybe the week after that my grandma passed away. So it’s this back to back double whammy of heavy stuff happening to me, but I was at the same time feeling so much love from all these people helping me out through the bad times. Then how am I’m gonna turn around and talk all this shit about a community showing me so much love! So that is what I was thinking about when I sat there and wrote this song which I think has an encapsulating message of the album. When I started writing this album I thought it might be my last foray into music where I’d focus on the coffee but as you can tell by the end of the writing process I felt as good about music as I ever have, and I think this last song sums it all up.
GSC: What’s your favorite venue to play in Jersey?
COZZ: It’s not there anymore, but it was Index Art Center in Newark which closed in April. They’ve reopened just as an art gallery without a music show space, but Index will always be my favorite place to play. I think they’ll be able to book shows again hopefully. Index was a huge room where Lowell really let me do whatever I wanted, he put a lot of trust in me. Anytime we did anything there was just fun. I don’t think I don’t think I would be where I am musically if it wasn’t for that place. Favorite place to play now… I’m not sure there is anywhere that is as welcoming. I hate showing up at a venue and they’re looking at you like “What are you doing here?” Like I’m gonna play? My name is on the flyer for tonight. I hate a rude venue, you don’t have to like be over the top nice but just cordial. That hasn’t happened a lot recently though, we played at Pet Shop. It’s always fun playing there in Jersey City because it’s just like a nice bar
GSC: Your show at The Saint in Asbury looked sick.
COZZ: Yeah, that was really sick. I’ve never played there before, it was really fun. That was a cool show. Obviously people turn up for Ogbert, it was cool to play with them. Also just seeing the trajectory of that band has been the wildest thing to see. I think I think a lot of that like comes from Maddie having fucking dozens of like, I don’t want to say failed projects before that, but shit that nobody really paid attention to for so long. They did not give a shit who was listening, just kept putting out shit they loved and believed in until everyone in NJ believed in it too, it’s been amazing to see. I personally have always been a fan of them and their music and I always thought like everything they did was really cool, and its been so cool to see this project of theirs go from one of their scrappy projects to one of the biggest things going on in NJ DIY right now.
GSC: I saw them at the DIY Super Bowl in Philly last year and they like felt like rock stars
COZZ: That was like only their seventh show or something too which is wild.
GSC: Who are some other bands in the Garden State people should check out?
COZZ: Everybody involved in Pizza Bagel. Max of LKFFCT and Ice Giant, Ken Depoto, my cousin Chris del Riva. Those are all my bandmates. I mean, I could fucking go on forever. My friend Zack started a new project called Laszlo but his band Steve‘s also really sick. Oh. Big Stink with Mike Tice and Dan DiCaprio and Brad. I’m just naming people that play in my band sometimes. But Wizard Brain Riley & Co, Roe Knows Best. My friends Christian and Bridget, formerly in Whiner, they started a band called High. that’s a shoegaze band, they’ve been picking up a lot of steam too.
GSC: It seems like if you play in one band you end up playing in 20.
COZZ: My cousin is always joking about how he’s in 20 different group chats with me. With different iterations of more or less the same people.
GSC: The beef with Chris Gethard, is that officially squashed?
COZZ: Yes. That’s been squashed for quite some time. It was really funny when he reached out to have me play on his show. We all were convinced it was just going to be a huge setup for him to beef with me on stage or something. But he was honestly the coolest fucking person. We showed up at like 430, and the thing doesn’t start till seven. So we were in our room, him and his friends were in their room, there are two green rooms. He got a pizza eventually and was like, Oh, come in and hang out with us. So we shot the shit about what I do and what he does and being from Jersey. Then we did show and before he came out to introduce us he’s like, do you care if I tell people how I was introduced to you? For anyone who doesn’t know him and I dropped projects with Taylor Ham, Egg, and Cheese in the title, so I told people to hit him up asking why he stole my album name, and people actually did hit him up. He explained his perspective where he was just like, who is this guy and why is why are so many people messaging me on his behalf telling me to fuck off right now. But nothing happened for a while and he apparently remembered it a year later and found my IG and saw we had mutual followers so he felt like if we knew each other maybe there was a chance we were more on the same wavelength than we thought, so he reached out and was super cool and asked me to play the podcast, which was really fun and which I am greatly appreciative of. So safe to say beef squashed, yet another instance where talking shit about someone from New Jersey somehow worked out in my favor.
GSC: You put out a skate video last year Absolutely Miffed what was it like putting that together?
COZZ: I mean, I grew up skateboarding, that my creative drive. I’ve been involved in skate videos for over a decade now, close to 15 years. I think I put my first skate video in 2010, we used to make skate videos and have premieres for them at our friend’s house in high school. As I got older, I stopped filming and editing them up, but I was still in them. And then I took some time off from skateboarding when I started making music, maybe for like, a year or two. A little bit before COVID, we started filming something, and we weren’t really sure what we’re gonna do with it, all low stakes with a few friends. We started compiling stuff and then COVID happened and skateboarding was one of the only things we felt comfortable doing. We weren’t going to restaurants, we weren’t going to bars, were obviously weren’t playing shows. Skateboarding became the only outlet for a little bit. That was really fun, and that was where we made big headway with the video. Throughout that process, I figured out how to balance skateboarding, music, coffee, and everything else. I think I have good balance right now.
GSC: I love when on your Cozz Coffee insta you’ll post that you did a delivery around a good skate spot and made sure to hit the rail while in town, its like stealing a little vacation back into the work day.
COZZ: Yeah, exactly. I actually have to go pick up coffee after this phone call and there’s a spot at the warehouse that I usually skate for at least 20 minutes just to push around, you know.
GSC: Also can you talk about starting your own coffee roasting company? You are doing so well with it but I am sure a thing like that there are great days and annoying days.
COZZ: There are certainly days that I’m like it is so cool that I get to do this. I can’t believe I’ve been sustaining myself pretty much mostly through coffee for two years now. The bad days, being an online business, it’s hard to get yourself out there on the internet sometimes. I don’t have the foot traffic to rely on, it’s all about, how much am I online, right, you can kind of be stressful. I go through phases of making TikToks daily, or multiple TikToks in a day which takes a lot of time and energy and trying to figure out what’ll do well with the algorithm as a means of selling coffee has warped my perspective and brain. I think that’s the biggest pressure for me,when I’m spending so much time creating content and not seeing the rewards from it and just feeling like I’m some asshole who’s making TikToks. That being said I’ve been doing the farmers markets a lot this summer and getting to be more around people. So it’s been cool to talk more face to face with people and realize that what I’m doing is stuff that people enjoy. It’s easier to see that when they’re right in front of you enjoying the coffee at the farmers market though.
GSC: I have my one last question. What is something outside of what we’ve talked about that brings you joy that might surprise people?
COZZ: I like hiking a lot. I enjoy hiking and camping. I was an Eagle Scout, so growing up, I was always hiking and camping. And I think people are kind of surprised when they find out that I do that. And driving. Driving is another thing that I enjoy a lot.